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If he is happy, then someone is doing something right. emoticon

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I just noticed that an anti-vaxxer from my message board posted this on Facebook. http://www.naturalnews.com/045351_vaccines_immune_overload_childrens_health.html#

I doubt she will post it on my board. I rather hope not.

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Oh, great. Another quack claims to conduct a study, sneaks a bogus paper through peer review, and all the anti-vaxxers eat it up.

Here's Classen's paper. I only see his name listed there. No team, just him. Being the only scientist on the case would certainly make it easier to pull any kind of nonsense he wants out of his ass and proclaim it as fact, without other scientists around to make sure he's following proper procedures or to say, "No, those weren't the results." I'd like to know how he got that garbage into a peer reviewed journal, when his conclusions had already been debunked by whole teams of scientists well before that.

Association between type 1 diabetes and Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccination: birth cohort study
Marjatta Karvonen, senior researcher, Zygimantas Cepaitis, researcher, and Jaakko Tuomilehto, research professor
May 1, 1999; 318(7192): 1169–1172.

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It is unlikely that H influenzae type b vaccination or its timing cause type 1 diabetes in children.

Key messages

    The gradual increase in vaccination programmes does not permit any particular one to be pinpointed as being responsible for the increase in type 1 diabetes in Finland
    There is no difference in the risk of type 1 diabetes between children not vaccinated against H influenzae type b and those vaccinated at the age of 24 months only
    The difference in risk between children vaccinated against H influenzae type b at the age of 3 months and those vaccinated at the age of 24 months was not statistically significant
    It is very unlikely that H influenzae type b vaccination or its timing causes type 1 diabetes in Finnish children



Childhood vaccinations, vaccination timing, and risk of type 1 diabetes mellitus.
DeStefano F, Mullooly JP, Okoro CA, Chen RT, Marcy SM, Ward JI, Vadheim CM, Black SB, Shinefield HR, Davis RL, Bohlke K; Vaccine Safety Datalink Team.
2001 Dec;108(6):E112.

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In this large, population-based, case-control study, we did not find an increased risk of type 1 diabetes associated with any of the routinely recommended childhood vaccines. Our study adds to previous research by providing data on newer vaccines, including hepatitis B, acellular pertussis, and varicella vaccines. For the older vaccines, our results are generally in agreement with previous studies in not finding any increased risks. Ours is the first epidemiologic study to evaluate the possibility that timing of vaccination is related to risk of clinical diabetes in children. Our results on hepatitis B vaccine do not support the hypothesis; risk of type 1 diabetes was not different between infants vaccinated at birth and those who received their first vaccination later in life. The results of our study and the preponderance of epidemiologic evidence do not support an association between any of the recommended childhood vaccines and an increased risk of type 1 diabetes. Suggestions that diabetes risk in humans may be altered by changes in the timing of vaccinations also are unfounded.



Contrary to Classen's claim, childhood obesity is rising (Science Daily, May 28, 2014), and it was known more than a decade ago that obesity is linked to both type 1 and type 2 diabetes (WebMD, Sept. 26, 2003).

I really wish people would stop listening to these one-off quacks (in this case, one guy working alone to further some kind of agenda), when what they're saying has already been debunked.

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Thank you for posting the proofs, Lesa! Can't these people see how many lives are saved by vaccines? They have a screw loose.

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You're welcome, Susa. You know me, I always try to refute harmful misinformation whenever I can. emoticon I did check to see if there was any validity to the claim, but there obviously isn't.

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They definitely have a screw loose!
And that is why I love getting Lesa's take on things. She's always got great info! emoticon

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Thankfully, she didn't post her article at The Sunroom. She must know that most of us are pro-vaccine.

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Queenyforever said:

She's always got great info! emoticon


Google led me to Wikipedia, and Wikipedia and Google led me to the references I posted. emoticon

I don't get why so many people refuse to even look at Wikipedia because they don't trust it. They don't need to trust Wikipedia based on what's posted there, and I don't automatically trust everything that's there, either. But Wikipedia uses these things called references, and anyone can easily check out these references to see if the statements on Wikipedia are reliable. I've seen the Daily Mail (or as I call, the Daily Fail) listed as a reference on some articles, and since I don't trust that source, I don't trust any remarks that use The Daily Fail as their sole source, and will look up other sources to either confirm or refute those statements.


Susa, I'm glad she didn't post that at The Sunroom, because I'm sure it would have caused you some headaches. emoticon

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I've always trusted Wikipedia, probably more than should.
I'm lazy to check sources, I tend to just judge stuff based on where I read it.

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Wikipedia is usually pretty good. Like science, it's a self-correcting system. If someone adds incorrect information or cites a bad source, someone else will usually come along and correct it.

Some articles are more trustworthy than others. The Daily Mail reference I saw recently was on this page about the Isla Vista killings last month, but that was when people were still scrambling for information, and I don't see it there now. I doubt the reference was there long. If you look at the talk page for that article, there's no mention of the Daily Mail there, but you'll see how some people do try to stick their personal opinions into articles, but they are usually overturned by people who cite credible sources.

Then, there are topics like circumcision, where bogus studies are cited as references (see bogus study and refutation), and they completely ignore the fact that every case of circumcision always has at least one negative permanent consequence.

For general information, Wikipedia is usually pretty reliable. But if it relates to a current event and/or a controversial topic, it can help to look for references that aren't listed there.

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