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Cops assault a man and his mother in her own home?


Please watch and judge for yourself before you read my thoughts on it.



Background:

According to news sources, cops have been called to this same address for various reasons more than 60 times in the last 4 years. This time, a neighbor had called 911 claiming two people were fighting, and a 3-year-old child had been left alone outside. According to the caller (listen here), the people who were allegedly fighting had gone into the house, but the child was still outside at the time of the call.

When the cops arrived at the house, the child and everyone else were all inside the house. These other people were a 58-year-old woman and her two sons, and it was one of these sons, Richard Phillips, who recorded the above video with his phone.

My observations:

Officer Chandler (the one with the sunglasses on his head) doesn't seem to mind being recorded, and even smiles and waves at the camera. Phillips then points the camera toward the other cop (Vergenham?), who steps toward the man, reaches out, and unsuccessfully tries to grab the phone out of his hand. If you look at the screen cap that accompanies this article, it's obvious that the 2nd cop is trying to grab the phone. This is when he allegedly hit the woman, which if true, looks like it would have been an accident.

It looks to me like it was equally possible that Phillips may have accidentally hit his own mother by pulling the phone away as the cop tried to grab it. As quickly as it happened, I can see how the mother may have believed the cop hit her, even if it was her son who did it.

The cop who allegedly hit her takes another step or two into the house, and it looks like he might be asking if the woman is ok. Richard Phillips called 911, claiming the cops went there "acting all crazy" and "they just smacked the !@#$ out of my mother," and the cop who tried to grab the camera steps out into the yard. Richard Phillips keeps yelling throughout the duration of the video, while Officer Chandler sticks his foot in the door to keep them from closing it, and the mother keeps asking him to let them close the door until their superior gets there.

The video embedded above was uploaded by "Richie Phillips," and the title is, "ELDERLY WOMAN ATTACKED BY THE WAREHAM POLICE." This title is misleading, since the cop didn't actually "attack" anyone, and if he did hit the woman, it was an accident. I can only deduce that "Richie" Phillips is the same Richard Phillips who recorded it, and this misleading title automatically makes his version of the events questionable.

I downloaded the above video, and slowed down the portion where the cop tried to grab the camera.



That said, it was wrong for the cop to try to grab the camera. Richard was absolutely correct when he said it's legal to film the police. Not only was it well within his rights to do so, but there are enough police brutality incidents that I would encourage anyone to film any incident involving the police, as doing so can protect whomever is in the right, and hold anyone accountable who is in the wrong. In this case, the cop was wrong to grab at the camera, while I believe Richard Phillips escalated the situation and tried to make it look like the cop was more aggressive than he actually was. When he claimed the cop made the child cry, it seems more likely Richard Phillips made the child cry with all his yelling.

What are you thoughts?

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It is perfectly legal to film the police doing their jobs...
However....this smells to me, like that family or at least "Richie Phillips," tried to SET up the cops! Perhaps for a big payout in court...???

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That thought had crossed my mind, too.

If the cop had just let him film instead of trying to grab the phone, though, it wouldn't have given Phillips any ammunition. In my opinion, they were both in the wrong here. I don't know if Chandler was justified in keeping his foot in the door, but his partner (Vergenham?) had already escalated the situation by grabbing at the phone when he shouldn't have, and I think it would have been better if Chandler had let them shut the door until their superior arrived.

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I agree that the cops definitely did not handle it very well at all. I do think it was a set up....and perhaps the cops fell for it. emoticon

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With 60 calls in 4 years, I'd expect the cops to have better sense than that. I would expect them to have better sense than that anyway, since it's perfectly legal to film cops on duty, and grabbing the camera would be an infringement of their rights.

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No body is perfect, and everybody has a bad day now and then...especially cops.
And honestly, considering the crap they have to put up with, the low pay most get, the stress of the job and the fact that most laws are for the bad guys and are making it harder and harder for the police to do their jobs....I usually side with the cops. emoticon

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I like to get as many details as possible before I side with anyone. There are good cops and bad cops, and a lot of innocent people have been hurt by bad cops, only to have the victim's reputation tarnished in a police coverup.

In this case, though, I see a cop making a human mistake by trying to grab the camera, then checking to see if the woman was ok because she was somehow hurt accidentally, whether he grazed her while trying to grab the phone, or whether the guy with the phone yanked it back and accidentally hit her himself. Although he stepped into the house, he did go out into the yard to avoid any more escalation of the situation, and I think this was the right thing for him to do under the circumstances. I think the other cop should have joined him in the yard until their superiors arrived, but at least he didn't force his way into the house further and start beating anyone up.

I also gave these cops the benefit of the doubt, until I saw the video someone captured on his cell phone and turned in to lawyers. They claimed the guy was 3-4 feet away from them and charging them with a knife above his head when they shot him in self defense, but this video contradicts their story. I zoomed into this video and re-uploaded it, to give people a clearer picture of what happened.



See the full, unedited video here:



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Pretty compelling evidence proving the cops were wrong... and it does happen. And seems to be happening more often. And I think it's a bigger problem than just "how the police are trained". I think it starts with the whole "raising a child who had some morals"....
A lot of my generation and now my son's generation (even worse) are raised on sex and violence on TV...in schools, and the parents are NOT parenting any more.
So those kids grow up....thinking it's okay to take another human life. It's kind of like a video game...they are hardened.
So when they become cops, they have no moral compass...all they have is training and that training teaches them how to protect themselves and the public....but not how to weigh what is right or wrong. emoticon
Son had one class where they discussed current topics, concerning the police...(he has to take them for a criminal justice degree)....and they showed a video of 3 police, shooting a kid...maybe 15, 16 years old...AFTER he was order to put down the shotgun he was holding and AFTER HE DID put it down....
Well, everyone went ape !@#$....saying that the police used to much force on an unarmed child....Chris said the room literally erupted with people blaming the police.
Son quietly spoke up and said, they were right shooting this boy....and then all the anger was aimed at HIM!
Well his teacher smiled and said Chris is right....
Then he slowed down and enlarged the video.....the kid DID lay down the shotgun (which was empty AFTER he used it on a playground...luckily no kids were hurt.) and it showed him clearly reaching into his waistband. Where after they shot him and went to his body..they saw the .357 fully loaded.
BUT...the public only saw the far away version....as is usual on the news now a days...

I SENT this to some friends today...

Story on FB....made up of course, but never the less it certainly sums up our news lately!


A Harley Biker is riding by the zoo in Washington, DC when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion's cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the collar of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.
The biker jumps off his Harley, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.
Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings the girl to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly. A reporter has watched the whole event.
The reporter addressing the Harley rider says, 'Sir, this was the most gallant and bravest thing I've seen a man do in my whole life.'The Harley rider replies, 'Why, it was nothing, really. The lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.'
The reporter says, 'Well, I'll make sure this won't go unnoticed. I'm a journalist, you know, and tomorrow's paper will have this story on the front page. So, what do you do for a living, and what political affiliation do you have?'
The biker replies "I'm a U.S. Marine, and a Republican".
The journalist leaves.
The following morning the biker buys the paper to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:
U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN
IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH

...... And THAT pretty much sums up the media's approach to the news these days.



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That story you posted about the lion is exactly the kind of headline Fox would use if the Marine was a Democrat. Actually, they'd also find a way to stick Obama in there and blame him for something. The liberal media wouldn't even ask for his political affiliation. emoticon

Your son has a good eye. emoticon

I've seen so many videos of supposed excessive force cases that really don't show enough to be sure if it was or not. Sometimes it's too fuzzy and shaky to tell what the heck is going on, while other times the video just shows a lot of arguing, and starts too late to know what happened beforehand.

The Kajieme Powell video makes it obvious that the force used was excessive. The video started before the cops arrived. We can clearly hear them say "Drop the knife," so we know that they knew that he didn't have a gun. He was several feet away, and moving slowly with his hands down to the sides. He had started to fall before the 3rd shot was fired, yet they fired 9 shots. The cops continued to shoot him after he was already on the ground, and they handcuffed him as he was laying motionless on the ground from who-knows-how-many bullet wounds. As if all of this wasn't bad enough, the police lied about it, claiming he was only 3-4 feet away, charging at them with his knife raised. I want to thank the man who filmed that and turned it into a lawyer, because it tells the true story.

I think every cop needs to be issued a lapel camera, and be made to keep it recording at all times while they're on duty. They protect cops and civilians, and any cop who isn't doing anything wrong shouldn't have any objection to that.

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I am totally for lapel cameras! Idaho is pushing for them now...at least in Boise. Just like dash cams, they will save a lot of he said/she said.. emoticon

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