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Jon Stewart: Race/Off


If anyone can watch this video and still not get it, there is probably no hope for them.



Keywords: Michael Brown, Ferguson, institutionalized racism.

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I will have to come back to this when I have more time to watch it and concentrate.... emoticon

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Describing the actual facts of the case, really does color how we look at it..


Good line there.....love the "Aliens" comparison. emoticon

But the "You being ignorant of those attempts" when talking about nothing being done about black on black violence in Chicago...that pretty much sums up the public....they ARE ignorant of most everything that is not spoon fed to them.


Did you just....he who smelt it dealt it....racism!


Geez, that was epic...

But this "imagine you can't get an F'in cab, even though you are a neurosurgeon, because you are black"....
But it's not just people of color who have faced an indignity in their lives....so have people NOT of the run of the mill accepted Religious beliefs.
Yeah, welcome to America, now all you ignorant folks, be you white, black, red, green or rainbow colored.... get your heads out of your asses, and actually practice the "all people are treated equal"...instead of just giving that phrase a hand job.



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It's true that people are treated unfairly for things besides race, but race is one of those things we can't hide from the world. Being quadriplegic is another, but nobody would shoot them down in the middle of the street and then claim they were trying to grab their gun or was charging at them. They might have trouble getting a taxi, but how would they hail them in the first place?

Nobody should have to hide who they are or what they believe or don't believe, but at least you and I have the choice to hide our beliefs or lack thereof if we're in a place or situation where not conforming to the local conventions could be dangerous or even deadly. I mean, if you went to Uganda, you could choose to pretend to share their beliefs to avoid being burned alive, but if every Wiccan (or LGTB, etc) had a full face tattoo to tell the world about that aspect of themselves, that would be more akin to being black. Again, we shouldn't have to hide that, but a black person doesn't even have the option of hiding their skin color without wearing a burka and gloves, which even more people would think was scary anyway.


Did you just....he who smelt it dealt it....racism!


I loved that! emoticon I always headdesk whenever someone claims liberals are racist, which they somehow base on the fact that we will bring skin color into the conversation while they are simultaneously pretending to be color blind and automatically assuming the black shooting victim did something to deserve being shot. They'll scream the cop is, "Innocent until proven guilty!" but they don't extend that same courtesy to the deceased. They'll scream, "Let's wait until the facts come out!" while regurgitating false claims about eye socket fractures and will believe any propaganda that paints the black victim in a negative light, while brushing off the testimony of the five black witnesses whose accounts all agree with each other, not to mention the physical evidence at the crime scene, which backs up those five eyewitnesses. It's like they're waiting and hoping for confirmation that the false allegations are right and the eyewitness accounts and physical crime scene evidence are wrong, and they will quickly share garbage like this.

Some of this could be from wanting so badly for the cop's actions to be justified, out of fear that they or someone they know could be shot down for no good reason if his actions weren't justified. But instead of making up some other excuse for the cop, they would rather assume the worst of the victim.

Gee, I don't know, maybe when Wilson opened his car door right next to Brown, maybe Brown's reflex reaction was to jerk his knee forward, thus causing the door to slam shut, and maybe Wilson mistook that for Brown purposely slamming his door. Maybe it was a reflexive action on Wilson's part to grab Brown around the neck (the back of the neck, presumably), to keep him from getting away, because his perception that Brown had slammed his door shut seemed like a sign of aggression. Then again, maybe Brown purposely shut the door because Wilson was being aggressive. Maybe it escalated from there, and they both acted out of fear? Maybe Wilson shoved the gun in Mike's face as Dorian says he did, and maybe Mike pushed it out of his face and started running because he feared from his life from an aggressive cop whose first words were (or at least sounded like) "Get the f*** on the sidewalk!" and who worked for a police force that is known for beating up an innocent black man after they knew they had the wrong guy, then charged him with getting blood on their uniforms. Maybe Wilson really did have it in his head that Brown was dangerous and tried to grab his gun, and really did intend to shoot at him as he was running away. Then, after Brown put his hands up and turned around, maybe he shot at him some more, then mistook 'falling over face first with his hands raised in surrender' for 'charging with his hands raised to attack' and continued shooting.

Maybe Brown and Wilson are both victims, to some extent. Maybe Wilson was led to believe that most black men were dangerous, and Brown's size intimidated him that much more. Fear can cause people to perceive things differently than they really are.

Maybe people could come up with some other scenario that would give both men the benefit of the doubt, instead of being so desperate to believe that Brown had actually done something to warrant being gunned down in the middle of the street while he was unarmed.

Despite all of the above maybes, it seems clear that Wilson shot an unarmed man while he was running away, then continued shooting him when he turned around with his hands raised in surrender.


....they ARE ignorant of most everything that is not spoon fed to them.


Yes, and they also believe the lies that are spoon fed to them. Unfortunately, too many people don't know how to discern the difference, and I think a lot of people automatically believe Fox is telling the truth because of their constant high ratings. I just wonder what percentage of those ratings are from people watching it for the same reason I read Fundies Say the Darndest Things.

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Well, I certainly agree that everyone should be given the benefit of doubt and that "Innocent until proven guilty" should apply. But unfortunately, and in this world since humans began, they were and are a vicious creature.
And it does seem we are becoming more violent....maybe not. I mean back in the caveman "tribal' days, things were very violent. It was kill or be killed.
I don't know what the answer is....honestly, having watched this world from my view over the last several years.....
I believe this world needs swept clean....and perhaps with the violence we see escalating around the globe, and the damage humans have done to the Earth......someday we will be.


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That's a morbid, but not unrealistic, outlook.

I do wonder if things are getting worse, or if we're just aware of more now because of the internet. Maybe it's a combination of both? Regardless, I still think we can use the internet to improve things, and if more of us speak up, people might actually begin to hear us.

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Well there is most definitely way more ways to get information out to the masses, and just about everyone now-a-days has a cell phone with camera...
But I believe it is escalating.


That's a morbid, but not unrealistic, outlook.


I know it's morbid. Thing is. I'm not worried. I guess I just trust my instinct. We've (the world as a whole) has been through this many times over....the world itself has changed enough to have mass extinctions. I figure......whatever, go with the flow. I'll be back in some form.......some day. emoticon

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I have learned a lot in the last six years through my travels, as well as stumbling upon certain online groups, and I see the world a lot differently than I used to. It has put a whole new perspective on the experiences of others, as well as on my own. In some ways, they are similar, but in other ways, they are vastly different.

Every city I have ever visited has been different for me. Chicago, Seattle, Boston, LA, Hollywood, Paris, Düsseldorf, Sydney, they were all different. While I would feel more comfortable walking the streets by myself in some of those cities than others, someone else would feel differently, based on their own experiences. I feel comfortable, for the most part, walking down my small-town streets alone at night, but I have no idea if it would be any different if I were black and male, or had a mental or physical disability, or was simply neuro-atypical, etc.

The more I learn, the more my 'instincts' change, which shows that they aren't quite 'instincts' by the actual definition of the word. I am much more opinionated now on some issues, but will also stop to give more thought to other things that I wouldn't have thought twice about before.

I strongly encourage anyone to travel to different places, if possible, to talk to others about their experiences, and to read various accounts of experiences with an open mind. Too many people poo-poo other people's experiences because they don't align with their own, but those people aren't aware of the differences that are based on things like gender, ethnicity, ability, and location. Even many people who engage in gun debates seem to believe the laws are the same in every locality, but they're not. Some laws are too lenient, while other laws infringe up on our 2nd Amendment rights, in my opinion.

Back to the issue of racism, it is more pronounced in some geographical areas than others, and it may not be noticeable to many people who are white, even in areas where it is extremely noticeable to those who are victims of racism. Instead of saying, "It doesn't exist because I don't see it," we should pay more attention to those who do see it, and those who do feel it on a daily basis.

"It doesn't exist because I don't see it," As I wrote that, I was reminded of the Richard Dawkins worshipers in the online atheist community. This is one of the issues to which my eyes were opened within just the last few years. They say anecdotal evidence isn't real evidence, which is true when questioning the existence of one or more gods. After all, the mind can play tricks on us, and we have a proclivity to seeing patterns in things where patterns don't actually exist, etc, so of course personal experience can't be evidence of the supernatural. Even if I were to see something I can't explain, I'd probably assume it was a hallucination unless I caught it on camera and other people could verify it, and every possible natural explanation could be exhausted. However, anecdotal evidence is extremely valuable when talking about personal experiences, in and of themselves. It's like these Dawkins worshipers have memorized the arguments against theism and applied it to everything else in life, but they fail to account for the fact that personal experiences are, in fact, evidence of personal experiences.

Anyway, I'm rambling. The bottom line is, our experiences of something can be so vastly different than other people's experiences. In this case, we're talking about ethnicity, and people of different ethnicities do experience things differently than people of other ethnicities. I do what I can to get people to understand this fact. Once they can understand the fact, hopefully they will take the time to understand the specifics as much as they possibly can.

As you know, I don't believe in reincarnation, so it's that much more important to me that we do the best that we can with this life.

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I can honestly say, that I am no expert on anything. So when someone is recounting something to me, I try to view whatever it was through their eyes. My experience has been the same as yours. People in different places can and do view the same things, such as race, sex, gun right, religion...etc. in different ways, because of their upbringing.
Each of us sees the world around us though our own eyes, feels it with our own hearts and forms our own opinions because of this.

I also believe we must ....

we do the best that we can with this life.


but not because I thinks it's the only one we have. I believe we must because that is the reason for my Path....to do the best I can, for as many as I can, for as long as I can.

But I also believe there is another life to follow....as my key chain says...
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But then there is this...Just for laughs. emoticon

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