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I am pleased I'm not living in the US today and having to deal with ignorance, fear, and stupidity being in charge. I find it really strange that there is a president from one party in charge, yet his government is run by the other party. How can this possibly work? The people blame the president for whatever is wrong, but they can't see that nothing he wants done can be done if the other party is making the decisions. How can they be that stupid?

Also I don't think it's only an American thing. I think that the ignorant are all frightened of the danger from the Middle East, and that extreme right-wing conservatism is taking over all the major western governments, everywhere. There's the rise of it in "nationalist" factions in the UK and Europe as well. I'm a little pleased that I won't be here to suffer under the return to a dark age of no learning, and extreme religion. I fear from my grandchildren though. They're going to be in a minority in their world if this trend towards conservatism continues.
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I voted...with my Mom....both of us voted different parties.
But I hate voting only because I know that no matter who I vote for, it is always the wrong choice, because there are NO RIGHT ones out there! emoticon


How can this possibly work?


It doesn't....


How can they be that stupid?


I have no idea....but MANY are that stupid! And it pisses me off.


ignorant


And THAT is the main problem in all governments. I've often said that we need an IQ test before giving people the right to vote or drive! emoticon

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Part of the problem could be solved if the US changed from the 3,000 year old Roman system of government to the more modern Westminster system: instead of a president elected on his own, the party elects the party leader, and the voters vote for the party of their choice, with the vote going to the person they select to be their representative in government, for both houses, all in one election, on one day. In other words, the voters choose the members of government, i.e. Congress members, and another senior person for state, i.e. the Senate. Then the parties choose from among the elected senators, one person in each state to govern the state, the other to represent the state at central level in the central senate. Then the party chooses its leader, and that person is the president with more than mere window-dressing power. At the moment you have the same system used by the Romans from 700BCE to 700CE: representatives of the ordinary people, and power families in the Senate, with a senior and junior consul the head of the government.
The Westminster system is used in most other countries. It works well, and it doesn't involve two years of preparation for elections. At the moment the US seems to be in a constant state of preparing for, or holding elections. I'm not surprised that the government doesn't get anything done. By the time people have settled into their term as members of Congress or the Senate, they're already planning their next election campaign. Then there's the business of holding elections every two years. From the outside it looks like there are only two things happening in America: elections and award ceremonies.

Said with respect of course. Despite the idiots running the government, I'd still love to have a chance of living in the US. emoticon emoticon emoticon

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Mo, I could not agree more! With both your idea of change and you getting a chance to live here. OR at least visit! emoticon

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Morwen Oronor said:
There's the rise of it in "nationalist" factions in the UK and Europe as well.

I'm kind of worried about the spring elections here. Center and main right will win, OK that happens every second or third elections, but the extreme right True Finns have made gains pretty much in all elections last ten years. They may get some 15-20% of votes/seats. Not that it matters, since they can't co-operate with anyone so they'll be left in opposition no matter whoever runs the show, but still a bad direction.

And the president till 2018 (and at the moment, I'd guess he's be re-elected) is from main right. Though he's not that bad.

At least Christian Party (now rebranded as "Christian Democrats") is dying along it's voters.

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How can this possibly work?


It doesn't....


I concur. All the Republicans have done over the past 6 years is fight anything Obama tries to do, even if it's something they themselves would pass if a Republican was President. I think the current arrangement used to work, at least before I was old enough to vote. It seemed that having two or more parties running things together was supposed to create a balance, but over the last few decades (at least), the conservatives in office have been getting more and more irrational. A lot of them don't even understand our Constitution these days, and would rather destroy our government than work within our current system.


I think that the ignorant are all frightened of the danger from the Middle East, and that extreme right-wing conservatism is taking over all the major western governments, everywhere.


You might have a point there. Republicans used al Qaeda to fear-monger Americans, and now they're using ISIS and even ebola. Anything they can use to plant fear into the public's minds and then claim to have the solution, they'll use it. Just like religion, they invent the disease and claim to have the cure for it.

I'm not well-informed about Canada's government, but every time I read the name "Harper" (Canada's prime minister), they're always saying how extreme right-wing he is. I am a bit familiar with Australia's PM, Tony Abbott, who denies global warming and seems to be a bit sexist. I don't think he's necessarily a misogynist as Julia Gillard claimed in her famous speech, but I would say he's more old-school and out of touch with modern society and science, just like our conservatives.

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You see the beauty of the "President" being the leader of the Party is that if his/her performance isn't up to par, they can kick him out and replace him with another person they choose to be the boss. Especially if the public are in an uproar about how things are going. In Africa, they tend to stay for the duration, but in the Westminster system, as has been seen in the UK, Tony Blair stepped down in favour of Gordon Brown, without the country having to be thrown into the chaos, and expense, of elections. I always watch the West Wing when there are elections going on the in the US, and it seems to me that the word "election" crops up in almost every episode, except of course the ones where someone is being kidnapped, or assassinated, but even then, the solution to the problem will have an effect on the next "election." It's crazy. It was perhaps fine when people were genuinely ignorant, and didn't understand what they were voting for (not that they know any better now, being able to read - but not write coherently). I'm sorry if I sound like I'm being disparaging, not at all. Please understand I'm not "dissing" the US, I'm merely pointing out that to people in the rest of the world, it seems to us that there isn't any governing going on, it's just a persistent carnival.
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What you're saying makes sense, MO, but don't forget about the right-wing media's lies and fear-mongering. Fox is our highest-rated "news" channel, and it's the one that lies the most. They blame Obama for ISIS, even though it was Bush's war that made it possible for ISIS to exist. They get everyone into a frenzy about ebola and blame Obama for letting it into the country, even though the only person who died from ebola in the United States was a man from Liberia, and the only person who contracted ebola in the United States was a nurse who treated that man, and she was cured. They blamed Obama for the high gas prices, and now they're blaming him for the lower gas prices and claim that it's bad for the economy. They blame Obama for letting refugee children into the country, even though it was George W. Bush who signed the law that prevents us from sending them away. This is actually one good thing that Bush did, but Fox also has people believing that these refugee children are bringing diseases into the country. If every media outlet that called itself "news" was actually truthful, our citizens would be much more informed about the facts, instead of believing so much nonsense.

The average American doesn't understand how our government works. This makes it easy for the right-wing media to blame Obama for all the trouble our Republican-majority Congress has caused.

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Yep, ignorance is the US's biggest problem. The far right knows that they can stay in power by keeping the masses ignorant, so they'll keep feeding it with fear. This is exactly what the Nationalist party did here for almost 50 years.

I am beginning to see your country lose its status as the world's leader. There are two things keeping it from sinking into a dark age. The one is the military - keep the armed forces fighting around the world "protecting" the rest of the world, and the other is the entertainment industry. No one can compete with the US for entertainment, it's still the best there is. If Africa united, and became a federation of states, like the US, and especially if the continent built places of education, and adopted a secular constitution, then we'd give the US a run for its money.
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Fox News....Oxymoron if you ever had one...Image

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